Character assassination of "Bluewater2" as written by NCCG's leader, Christopher C. Warren


Background:

I emailed the F.A.C.T.Net organization (Fight Against Coercive Tactics Network, web site http://www.factnet.org)
a while back with a link to my site and a summary about NCCG. Someone from Factnet.org then started a thread about NCCG in their message board and included the statements I had emailed them.

On June 3, a user of the factnet.org message board named "Bluewater2" made a post that quoted something I had written elsewhere. His post looked like this:


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I found this about them. The cult's primary web site is visible at http://www.nccg.org. The public report I made about the cult can be viewed at http://www.geocities.com/nccg_concern .


Someone showed this to Warren, and he came to the conclusion that "Bluewater2" was actually me. In the NCCGCyberCommunity message board that evening, I watched as Chris became aware of and then discounted serious evidence to the contrary, in the form of a MUCH earlier dated thread (March, 2006, link here) in another message board. This was a thread in which Bluewater2 and I had a brief interaction while using our respective usernames.

I watched as Chris based this conclusion solely on an inference about one line of text that Bluewater2 had pasted into the Factnet message board (June 3, 2006) which happened to be written in first person. The leading sentence of Bluewater2's post even indicated that the text could be a quotation, but oh well. NCCG members were posting traceroutes trying to figure out where this person lives, and so on. After a while of reading Bluewater2's Factnet message board posts, an NCCG member voiced that bluewater2 was not looking like me after all. Chris was not listening, however, and seemed to be gearing up for... a character assassination.

While all of that was happening, part of me felt like posting into their thread, saying "guys, thats NOT me." If it had been a public, anonymous type board, I probably would have done it (Why? I don't know, I just don't like to see stuff like that go down when I can toss in a word or two and set something straight). But to do that would have blown a completely usable login for that message board, so I didn't do it.

In retrospect, it was best that I had not interrupted what was happening. The reason why didn't occur to me until after it had all transpired. The next day, Christopher Warren would have awakened from a presumably restful and invigorating sleep, and having slept on it and thought over what he wanted to do, he would get to take action. Now that he thought he had finally identified "nccg_concern", and even had his IP address, what would he do?

The answer: He posted the most nonsensical character assassination I have seen him post yet. The attack was principally against Bluewater2, picking through some of his posts on that message board to get some stuff to talk about, with all of the fantasies he has about me intertwined within it. The resulting piece of writing was ... stupid. It was Bluewater2 and me and Rick Ross stuck together like a three-headed monster, with fantasies about Rick and I interjected into the mess, and Chris working hard to beat the crap out of  Bluewater2 at the same time. I feel like I should MS Paint a picture of this hideous monster sometime.

The post has remained in place for at least 2 days (this is being written on the second day). Some non-Chris-authored posts are disappearing from the thread, presumably being deleted by their author. I don't blame him.

Research-wise, this is good stuff. I had deduced that one of Chris' primary reasons for wanting to identify me (and my religious beliefs) was so that he could base a large character assassination on whatever he could find + his imagination, and this was shown to be correct. With these trends the way they are, it seems likely that this has been one of his methods of operation for a good while now.

Imagination != insight, and imagination != intelligence, either.

Here's the important posts in that thread, minus most of the posts from that first evening.



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Thanks to some research work done by one of our members, Mr. Concern has revealed his true colours. Please note that he uses the nic bluewater2:
 

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Christianity is one of many false belief systems that tries to pass itself off as normal, mainstream and healthy. It is only healthier than being a drug addict, or completely emotionally broken in some other way. And that is the type of person that is the easiest target for this religious system. Unfortunately, once someone is brainwashed into this way of thinking they come to think that they know all they need to know. Learning ends. Intolerance increases. Walls are erected. Just as AA takes people who are broken and turns them into Alcoholic Anonymous addicts, so does Christianity turn followers into religiaholics, unable to function without the system. As science continues to expose the idiocy of the ridiculous beliefs that give Christianity it’s foundation people will begin to understand it is possible to be a loving person who loves life without having to bow down to some idol who has been dead for 2000 years. All of the revealed religions, Christianity primarily, pray on those who cannot think for themselves. Anyone willing to study religious history will eventually develop a healthy perspective and realize that religion and god are man made and that hundreds of millions of people get by just fine with out it and did for 100’s of thousands of years before these systems were created.


Please see the other threads in this link where Mr. Concern (bluewater2) shares his deep wisdom with the world.

That bluewater2 and Mr. Concernm are one and the same is shown here:

http://www.factnet.org/discus/messages/3/21415.html?1149366901




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I found this about them. The cult's primary web site is visible at http://www.nccg.org. The public report I made about the cult can be viewed at http://www.geocities.com/nccg_concern .




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According to Mr. Concern, "Christ followers" are a cult.
 

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Mr. Concern pontificates on the origin of the universe.
 

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You know, the more I read these, the more I think this is the work of some kid.

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This was also on the last post.
 

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Hey Franklin. Why are you such a mean and angry person? Someone, somewhere stopped loving you, and all the love of your Christ doesn/t seem to be of any help to you. As much as I am tempted to want to use your tactics of insult and degradation, I really want to reach out and let you know that if you ever really need someone to talk to, you know you can email me. You have it.
 
Why doesn't he extend the same invitation to us? If this is concern, I don't know what is.

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You know, considering his penchant for talking to himself on the same board using two different nics, his hatred of Messianic Judaism, the fact that he has a Jewish girlfriend, is leading me to suspect that both nccg_concern and bluewater2 are just internet personas of Rick Ross himself. (And before he accuses me of being anti-semitic - which I am sure he'd love to - I have nothing against Jews or any race - just certain of them who are gifted at hating). I can't prove anything yet but I am seeing definite patterns of personality resemblance. His patronising of pagan groups  (as an atheist) leads me to suspect that he is desperate for some support (or is a closet pagan), and of course they are more than willing to mock and disparage Christians of every stripe and bolster his ego a bit. Whatever concern's/bluewater2's/Ross'? belief about "love" - he makes personal claims for that in his anti-Christian diatribe in message #1, says on his nccg_concern site that he has "nothing against Christians", says he is willing to talk and help misguided Christians and won't rave and rant like they do in message #12, etc., etc. - he certainly has a strange way of showing "love" to those whom he feels threatened by. He's never tried to 'lovingly' recruit me to his wonderful world view but that's probably because he thinks I should be electrocuted like the other untermenschen who threaten his utopian dream. Either he's Jewish or trying to curry favour with Jews who loathe Messianic Jews for "stealing" their culture or "Christians" (nazis) for murdering them (note: I have no love for nazis but I certainly believe the Germans have been maligned and victimised). He comes across as very emotionally immature, neurotic and with very twisted motives for doing things. He's proven himself dishonest. And the more he publishes and reveals himself and his true feelings, the more rope he makes to hang himself with, as I have said. Needless to say his great "concern" for people nowhere leads him to try and persuade them of a better lifestyle that is logical and coherent. He has shown himself to be a liar - saying one thing in one place and another else where - he imitates Christian practive by being willing to "give an ear" to someone whom he feels is no threat to his narrow and (if I may say so) bitter worldview (because the Christian in question is probably bitter like himself - I donæt give carte blanche to all Christians as he seems to to atheists and pagans). For all his attempts at composure in his academic writing, he can barely conceal the angry and lost child within who strikes out at the scapegoat enemy (a bit like the nazis swiping at the Jews, only this time its Christians who are the scapegoats) - religion, but especially Christian religion (he dare say wouldn't dare take on fundamentalist Islam), and one (like myself) who incarnates all that he rages against within. Since he will get flattened for attacking the larger groups like the RCC or Mormonism (because of political and financial clout), he bites off only what he thinks he can chew - the small Christian groups. And to give himself legitimacy, he finds a genuine cult here or there, bashes them (though I have yet to see a website like nccg_concern that he has created in which he has actually "exposed" anyone before - my guess is we're the first ... and I don't mean the odd post in a couple of groups), gets the plaudits of those who can see for themselves is a cult, and thereby recruits credibility in his wider war against Christianity. In fact I'd like to see any othjer websites he has crfeated in his valiant crusade against the cults. Or are we the only one? And if so, why? The more I read of him, the more I see in him a crusade of hate, not scientific or humanistic philanthropy.
 
Unlike Concern/bluewater2/Ross? we attack false religion too. I see no attacks by him on the record of "false atheism" (assuming he believes in such a thing) such as communism, fascism, etc. (unless he is one, of course - they're pretty much alike). Ironically, the one "church" who has bloodied his/Ross'? nose - the Scientologists - are about as close to his 'non-religious' system as he could dream of. His belief system, as revealed online for people to scrutinise, is pretty vague. He seems to understand that a moving target is hard to hit so he says contradictory things about the same thing, exploiting confusion to his advantage like a good Illuminati propagandist (I wager this sentence will appear on his site  as an example of my "paranoia" lol). About the only thing he dares wager on is evolution which is pretty easy to dismantle (speaking as a scientist here who has apparently "ceased learning" [message #1] as a Christian according to him ... I wonder what he is? What he's qualified in? I don't suppose he'll ever tell us and will always offer his usual pathetic excuse for his secrecy - namely fear of my Maffia hit-squad  ... whence the paranoia one wonders?). For "free thinking" materials on evolution, see our Science page at www.nccg.org/Science-HP.html. Let's see if His basis for rationality is "scientific" - I challenge him to answer my article at www.nccg.org/188Art-ScienceFaith.html which shows that he is as religious as the next man, only that his religion is atheism. ACtually I think he's far more religious than I am because I believe my faith has more of a rational foundation than his - much more.
 
And I wonder how many of the Christians who approvingly quote him or respond to him know just what Concern believes about junkie Christians? ... because he courts them with one hand and rubbishes them with the other which, if I am not mistaken, is what antichrist does, doesn't he? (10:1 he'll quote this and claim I think he's the antichrist ).
 
Let's see some more of your writings, Concern/bluewater/Ross? The more you write the more you tell us about yoruself which you are so desperate to keep hidden, even though you're willing to hypocritically trash people in public from the comfort zone of your own black hole. And I reiterate, you will be exposed because this Christian doesn't stand idly by and give authority to quacks like you. And what I cannot do, One who is greater than both of us definitely will.
 

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I hate different races, arron. Thats why my children are 50% Navajo Native American and my girlfriend is 100% Jewish. You are 100% kookie. But so entertaining.
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The kids are 50% Navajo, 50% white. Of course my girlfriend does not think that Jesus was the messiah. No REAL Jews do. They don't even keep or acknowlege your new testament. Real Jews think that the NT is a joke. Why wouldn't they? They wrote the Torah and don't accept Jesus because he did not fullfill the prophecies in the Book Of Prophets. Christianity is another "new" religion, like Mormonism. If I needed any god based religion, like you do, I would be Jewish. A much better religion.
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Bluewater2

Which half of your kids is Navajo, the top half or the bottom half?


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Arron, I do not lie. Never accuse me of that. And I can show you 135 prophecies unfulfilled. If I show you those will you recant your statement above that every prophecy was fulfilled? If you ever accuse me of lying again, arron, I will find you and make you eat your words. Thank you.



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Arron, I have always been respectful with you but you called me a liar. Since you are unable to defend your position in a rational and intelligent way you resort to name calling, calling me a liar, calling me a child. You sounded like a man when you sent your little message out saying you were taking some time off to reflect because of the bitterness here. Now you have come back more bitter than ever. You are so transparent that it is laughable. Good luck in your walk with the lord. He is way over there though, arron, so your walk is obviously fruitless.

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I think that arron is completely oblivious to the notion that anyone could possibly think that Jesus is not the savior. As far as I am concerned, Xtianity hijacked the parts of the Torah, Nevi'im and Kethuvim that conveniently justify their own twisted system. Thats just me, of course.

http://www.factnet.org/cgi-bin/discus/discus.cgi?pg=next&topic=3&page=13249


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nccg_concern/bluewater2:
 
"I hate different races, arron. Thats why my children are 50% Navajo Native American and my girlfriend is 100% Jewish."
 
 Anyone care to psychoanalyse that one?

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From: MSN NicknameCommunity_Moderator Sent: 7/23/2006 1:35 PM
I take it this means that nccg_concern/bluewater2 is Navajoo Indian, his girlfriend is Jewish, and his children are half Navajoo Indian and half Jewish. Not that it matters. What interests me the most is a mind that would declare:
 
"I hate different races"
 
Does that mean in nccg_concern's/bluewaters's/Rich Ross'(?) atheistic utopian world, all the races would be compelled to intermarry to eliminate all racial differences? (A bit like the time when the Swedes forced over 60,000 people to be sterilized because they didn't meet certain racial criteria [I'll not mention Mr.Hitler's Lebensborn as that might offend his 'other' sensibilities]) Even if he did this, how would he maintain homogenity of colour and features? Won't there still be different mixtures, leading effectively to new races?
 
Am I picking up signals here that nccg_concern/bluewater2 has some sort of racial inferiority complex? Has he been traumatised in youth by unkind jibes by other races? Is he working out a deep anger against God because of abuse when he was younger? Does this explain his obsessive-compulsive need to attack Christians, and why he has turned to at elast one segment of of people who hate Christians to create a new species?
 
Now this may be totally nonsense but in this little illustration I am doing no more than he does in speculating, assuming and fantasising about us here at MLT/NCCG. Does he indeed like his own medicine? Would he like me to create a bluewater2_concern site analysing his every move and statement on line. Woiuld he like me to send private detectives to his home in California and dig up evferything on his past? Perhaps he'd like me to dig up some of the bullies who abused him when he was a child (I'm only speculating, you know) and get their unbiased testimonies? Maybe he even has a criminal record. Maybe he used to be a drunk. Maybe, maybe, maybe. Maybe he's a martian - let's look for unusual birthmarks and get a doctor's testimony. At least that's his methodology. Maybe he's been in prison. I'm sure a good journalist like Mr. Sjöholm could write a juicy story given the right incentives.
 
And does atheism really cure his inner hurts? Ironically, the one he seems to hate the most (like many of the things we fear the most) is probably the only one who can help him.
 
 

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"As far as I am concerned, Xtianity hijacked the parts of the Torah, Nevi'im and Kethuvim that conveniently justify their own twisted system. Thats just me, of course."
 
Xtianity - if you do a search on the word, is a term of abuse used against Christians principally by atheists, pagans and satanists. You will find that most other religions are more respectful (though Muslims with long memories may call them 'Crusaders').
 
Since we're using an abbreviation of Christianity (Xtianity) which is generally regarded as a term of abuse, this tells us a great deal about Mr. Concern's neutrality and lack of bias and explains why he said in his politically correct (?) nccg_concern website that he has "nothing against Christians" - wonder why he didn't say he has "nothing against Xtians" - doesn't have quite the right politically correct ring, does it? As one online dictionary of slang defines:
 
xtian




A word that atheists use because for some reason they think it's supposed to insult Christians.

 
 
We recall all of bluewater2's rants against Christians, such as:
 
"you resort to name calling, calling me a liar, calling me a child"
 
Since calling someone an 'xtian' or belonging to 'xtianity' is generally recognised as being a term of insult by atheists, what does that make Mr. Concern? You've got it, a hypocrite. Of course he'll doubtless dig up some alternative minority definitions of 'xtian' (like an ex-Christian) and try to wriggle his way out that way, but what the heck, we're trying to defame him, aren't we? (that was an ironic remark btw, not a statement of our intent ... just to show him how he operates against us. I know how he loves to quote out of context and mistakes comedy for serious discussion ... but then it seems he has no sense of humour).
 
Signed
 
The Liqorice Kid
 
 
 

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Ahhhhhhh - silly me! I just twigged!!!
 
"I hate different races" means that he hates ALL races except Navajo's and Jews!!!
 
Why didn't I see it before?








On July 27, Bluewater2 emailed Christopher Warren and gave him a piece of his mind. 

Christopher Warren then made this post into the nccgcybercommunity message board thread as his response.



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From: MSN NicknameCommunity_Moderator Sent: 7/27/2006 9:29 PM
If nccg_concern and bluewater2 are indeed two separate persons, then I apologise for confusing the two identities. However, bluewater2 should have been more careful when he posted nccg_concern in the first person. And given how nit-picky these fellow atheists, agnostics, or whatever they are, are (nccg_conceren seems to have dedicated his life to picking through every single statement I have ever made as though I were some sort of infallible super-human), they must expect to picked apart and misunderstood in the same way. They are so consumed in their rage against Christians that they follow a double-standard, missing the winks and hints at humour and seeing in them some terrible conspiracy to defame them. However, I did not come seeking for them - they came seeking for me.
 
As for bluewater2 having "nothing against Christians" (odd, I seem to remember nccg_concern using exactly the same words on his website ... birds of a feather, no doubt), I let his post in Message #1 speak for itself, along with the defences offered by the cult of atheism.
 
As for his family, I wish them all well, as I do all families, and may his children prosper in truth.




(Interjection from NCCG_Concern: Heh?

About 2 hours after making this post, Christopher Warren removed the link for this entire "NCCG Critics" message board from the groups.msn.com/nccgcybercommunity web site. The message board is still alive but it's almost invisible from the front page of the site. One effect of this is that most of the NCCG members may not get to see this last post from Christopher Warren. The original character assassination had been available for 5 days, and the apology/retraction was fully visible for about 2 hours. If I become aware that Chris uses another means to clarify to the many NCCG members that this (somewhat) apology was made, I'll update this page to reflect that.

When I looked at the text of Chris' last post in the thread, I was surprised that Chris had blown this opportunity by writing a big pile of excuses and blame-shifting right in the middle of what started out as an apology. He still had the concept of "if" thrown in there, even. Just the first and last sentences of this post, with the whole middle section cut out, would have been almost perfect (almost).

The concept of "nothing against Christians" has never been on my site except as it was recently quoted from Bluewater2's text).