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From: MSN NicknameCommunity_Moderator  (Original Message) Sent: 7/9/2006 6:13 PM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameNightmare668</NOBR>  (Original Message) Sent: 12/11/2005 02:48
OK, now that I’ve had a night to calm down, I can post in a reasonably polite manner. I came across your site while searching the web for information on the goddess Nyx. She’s not exactly a common one. Goggle directed me to your page on Hecate (bypassing your disclaimers about hate crimes btw). I refer to this page (D1. Hecate: Origin and History of a Queen of Demonesses). There’s so much I want to go into, so bear with me if I ramble.

1) Hecate is not the same being as Artemis/Diana (who bears no relation to her, and is a daughter of Zeus), Selene (who is likewise no relation, and doesn’t even have the same sphere of influence), Gaia (again, who is of no relation, being the titan-goddess of the earth), or Sheol (which is Hebrew name for the “grave”, the Greek equivilent of Hades – the place, not the god). Nor is she the same as the Fates, although she is a triple-aspected goddess (Maiden, Mother, and Crone). Hecate is not the same being as Nyx, although Nyx is her mother in Greek myth. Hecate is actually a pre-Greek goddess. The Greeks inherited her from a previous culture, the Karians from Asia-Minor.

2) Hecate does not have a large presence in Satanism, or in Wicca for that matter. She’s not very popular.

3) Hecate is of no relation to Lilth. Even materials elsewhere on your own site state this. Please attempt better editing.

4) Hecate has no relationship with “a major segment of the charismatic Christian movement and other Christian counterfeits”. She has far more style and self-respect than to be associated in any way with your religion. The same goes for the New Age movement (far too fluffy for her tastes). Furthermore, she has no relationship to Bhuddism.

5) Hecate has no relationship with Kali. Although they share certain characteristics, Kali is far more bloodthirsty in aspect than Hecate is. I should know, having worked in passing with both of them.

6) There is no such thing as Satanic ritual abuse. There have been numerous investigations proving this. Furthermore, no Satanist in their right mind would attempt such a thing in the US (I have no idea about other countries) given the political climate. I will concede that isolated cases of ritual abuse may happen, but just as many (more indeed) cases of ritual and non-ritual abuse by xtians also occur.

Note that I will not attempt to persuade you that Lady Hecate is not a demon. I was once a xtian myself, and therefore understand your perspective that any spirit that does not serve your god is a “demon” (a word which, in itself, derives from the Greek “daimon”, which simply means “spirit”).

I will continue this at a later time, as I have other things to do at the moment. If you desire, I will be glad to speak to Hecate for you, as she and I have a quite close relationship.


PS – I like the double pentagram graphic on your Occult page. Any chance I could get a copy of that graphic without the “Occult” logo?

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From: MSN NicknameCommunity_Moderator Sent: 7/9/2006 6:14 PM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameCommunity_Moderator</NOBR> Sent: 12/11/2005 13:08
I am not quite sure why you have joined this Group. If you have come here to lecture us on certain demons or the benfits of occultism, you are not welcome. If you have come here to be delivered from them we can help you. Hecate. like all other demonesses, is a liar and a counterfeiter. We know her extremely well.
As for Satanic Ritual Abuse there are dozens of people in this group who are victims of it whom we have worked with for years. Either you are deceived by all the hype and misinformation or you are working for satanists and are here to weaken people's faith. Either way you are not welcome here.
In Yah'shua's Name and by the power of His blood, I expose Hecate and all other demons operating in Nightmare. I bind and shine the light of truth to her so that the lies she believes in may be exposed and be pursued by the One who loves for you and died for you that you might be delivered from all bondage and deception. I break down all the lines of demonic communication in you and shine the light of truth along all pathways of deception that are in you.
These demons hate your guts and have deceived you - as they hate and have deceived the vast bulk of the population in this world. If you wish to learn and have these demons tested, we will do this for you, but I guarantee they will resist it because of the fear they have of the Light of the World.
May Yahweh's Light shine upon you and bless you into the ways of all Truth in Yah'shua's Name.

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From: MSN NicknameCommunity_Moderator Sent: 7/9/2006 6:14 PM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameTamjjyam3</NOBR> Sent: 16/11/2005 06:07
What does this mean that you have talked to 'her'?

Could you talk to 'her' and live?

And why would you get involved with demons and gods of other religions if you used to be a Christian?

It sounds like you came out of a 'charismatic background' or have something about it in you. While I know that these types of churches can be daunting and swaying you in the opposite direction altogether, I can honestly say that, once I got out of that background and got a little balance, I began seeking God in a real way and love Him and have found Him.

What do these 'gods' do for you?

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From: MSN NicknameCommunity_Moderator Sent: 7/9/2006 6:15 PM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameTamjjyam3</NOBR> Sent: 16/11/2005 06:43
Colossians 2:
16Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ. 18Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you for the prize. Such a person goes into great detail about what he has seen, and his unspiritual mind puffs him up with idle notions. 19He has lost connection with the Head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow.

20Since you died with Christ to the basic principles of this world, ....

This reminded me of you this week when I read it.
She is only sharing what she has seen and known.

God can use this evil for His own means to His kingdom and glory and to our good.

Even the Bible refers to the idols of the nations of the Old Testament as 'gods.' Or at least I have seen it translated this way. We needn't be offended or fear usage. We need to give glory to God, Yeshua, Elohim of the old testament.

We need to "live such good lives among the Pagans taht they will SEE OUR GOOD WORKS AND GLORIFY GOD" and that includes editing your typos and the mistakes she has clarified. --If you were willing to write that much intimate detail about other "gods," then you should expect that someone will clarify for you and comment on it to you.

Personally, the Bible passage I wrote above (and the one I previously sent you from Jude) are enough to clarify for me that we should advocate our time to worshipping God, talking about the good things he's done, praising Him, and declaring His attributes, as well as loving and sharing His love with other people--all this-- rather than talking about dark things and things from the spiritual realm.

Right here every day, I see things in the physical realm--people I can touch and help and share the Gospel with, and I do, and it's healing power is obvious, because, when I don't, more darkness occurs, and it makes me hurt, because I was wrong. I was evil not to share, not to worry that God was watching me and what I do. And He cares, more than anything, He cares, and He desparately wants to people come to Jesus, to know His Son, and to care about others, too.

You need to be inclusive--I spent 4 or 5 weeks with Mormon 'elders' as they call them (LDS), recently It was very confusing, but one thing I noticed, they want to exclude you--maybe that is American and not mormon, but Jesus never excluded. He got you in and helped you to see Him, that He was the Messiah, that God was Him, in Him, with Him, around Him, with us, wanted to be with us; if HE already KNOWS us, then He wanted us to know that (by coming in the form 'Jesus' ) He wants US to KNOW Him!! And that's all. ....

But if you push others away (from your website), how are they gonna know you (Christ in you, the hope of glory,,, God with us 'Emmanuel' become God IN us, the Counselor) and Christ, God, by your teaching, by your prodding, by your care? LOVE LOVE, my friend, will win them all to CHRIST. That's what you want, as well as I.

An Yamamoto =)

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From: MSN NicknameCommunity_Moderator Sent: 7/9/2006 6:15 PM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameCommunity_Moderator</NOBR> Sent: 16/11/2005 19:42
I'm afraid you've misjudged us again, An.
We run 6 different boards each of which has different purposes. This Board is specifically for members of NCCG, friends and investigators, not for those out to criticise for criticism's sake. It is specifically for nurturing our own people and to meet their needs, and reflects the intmacy of our home.
The lady in question was immediately invited to another board - which is public (after she was ejected from this one) - where we help occultists and where there is more specialised help in dealing with demon issues. We are not the way you may think.
Yes, we are indeed to love, but not lawlessly, but according to the commandments, not casting pearls before swine but doing all things in the correct order. We reveal our love by obedience to the commandments, embracing those who come seeking, leaving those who go their own way with a blessing, and ministering to those who genuinely want it. Yahweh's House is indeed inclusive, but not every part has the same function, which is why the Temple was divided into different areas, not all of which were open to everyone. Indeed you will recall that Yah'shua observed these three degrees Himself, having an inner circle of apostles and an inner inner circle of Peter, James and John. There are reasons for these things.
People who are quick to accuse and misjudge in the process usually have a discernment issue caused by areas of spirituality that need readjusting. It is better to assume the best of those you don't know well before preaching to them and calling them - directly or indirectly - to repentance.
Our theology must include all scriptures and be properly balanced. I wonder how many believers shake the dust off their shoes when an apostolic message is rejected? We have many odd non-scriptural notions in the West about the way we are to love people that are radically divorced from the world of Yah'shua and the apostles.
It is right to witness to vipers but fatal to press them to our bosoms. I have seen many an unwise believers seriously injured or destroyed because they could not discern and thought they were loving and were obliged to do it that way.
I think you would object if I came into your home and started telling your husband all his faults and what to do without being invited to do so. We are happy to receive constructive criticism here but not to be lectured to by strangers, especially those not of our spiritual house.
There are tens of thousands of lawless Christian boards whom I am sure would be happy for visitors to lecture to them. But not here.

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