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From: MSN NicknameCommunity_Moderator  (Original Message) Sent: 6/28/2006 10:10 PM

What The Enemy is Currently Doing

The Nature of the Second Wave Revealed

The following is by way of prophetic information revealed to us by Yahweh to prepare our people for what is coming.

They are writing detailed profiles on each and every member of MLT/NCCG based on what they can cull from the website, the posts here, sermons and email/IMs that they have been hacking into. They are indeed going to a great deal of trouble to try and discredit such a tiny group (I wonder why? Answers available from Yahweh). They mean to publish a very detailed character profile of each and every one of us, moulded in the image they wish to create, twisting the information (and misinformation) in the usual way, with a view to destroying us. The result is, however, that they will be destroyed themselves. In a sentence: what they wish to happen to us, will happen to them, and our ministry will simply be strengthened and enlarged. Little do they realise that they are doing Yahweh's work. But as Yah'shua said, stumblings will come, but woe unto them that cause stumblings.

So sometime in the near future - probably at Mr. Concern's site but also probably elsewhere too - they mean to extend their so-called "exposé" into what they claim to be minute detail character studies. Expect to find a very detailed profile of the existing leadership, and of the leaders to come with a lot of psycho-babble. The intent of these profiles will be defammatory, like the newspaper article, and not at all in the interests of truth. Expect to find very loaded terms and deliberately misleading labels like 'cult propagandist' applied to one of our people. The aim is to make us appear unstable, paraonoid, cultic, delusional - you name it, they will come up with it. In short, total character assassination.

They believe they are going for the metaphorical 'jugular vein' but as Yahweh has already stated, it is going to backfire on them. And very badly at that. Yahweh and Torah are our judge, and not these deluded people who are spending so much time on us - and for what purpose? Why not use their resources on the real cults out there, of which there are thousands.

Only those who know their Bibles will understand why. Many will fall away as a result of this but far more will be coming when they see the mighty hand of Yahweh at work.

28 June 2006



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From: MSN Nicknameruth_johannesen Sent: 7/11/2006 11:32 AM
I had similar revelations yesterday. I was praying while feeling sort of desperate and at the same time, in a way, indifferent. While praying I began to understand that I do so very few things from the heart and actually WANT to do them. And it looked like about 90% of the praying I do is slavery work (even some of the praying I did right then), doing it because I have to, not because it’s heart-driven. I saw that I so often “go with the flow”, with little care of others or Yahweh or me. An ant indeed, like you saw it. And then, while pondering on this, sometime later, He showed me that the “viper”, the fleshy/proud self in me, is in fact this: it is me when I disconnect from the heart, when I just function without purpose or passion or any sort of feeling (or “filling” for that matter). It is in fact quite pathetic: the “viper” goes after her own tail, she’s me when I’m spiritually asleep and actually find pleasure in going through a book to find the longest word (i.e. a purposeless and useless task).
 
All these things, as He showed me, are the fruits of being detached from one’s heart. The buffering mechanisms (and Lilith is expert to create such) come up to quench the heart every time it makes an attempt to come out. She does this first by fear, then by numbness, typically, but also by pride and trying to weigh or estimate or monitor myself and check if I have made progress.
 
He showed me another 2 things to keep in mind. One was about the “purging away of the dross” – dross being the bad habits/thinking patterns/emotional patterns, whatever keeps us from Him. Yahweh purges us from them one by one if we let Him. What He told me about this was that this is not to punish me or cause me so much pain that the only option is Him. He said that He takes it away, actually, not just because it’s useless but because it’s DEADLY. It’s what the viper lives on and consists of.
 
And finally, He told me to take the Truth to heart and place it there and understand that Truth defines life and everything in life, and Truth is a matter of life and death, eternal in fact, not to be taken childishly or lightly. He said that I have to stop making notes of things to remember, such as “Elohim loves me”, or other encouraging things but rather take them straight in the heart so they can be written there and lived for real.
 
Yahweh bless.

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From: MSN NicknameCommunity_Moderator Sent: 7/11/2006 9:36 PM
We have people streaming into us all over the world today baffled at the sudden turmoil they are experiencing as the second wave hits. I neglected to add another vision which I saw this morning which I think may help some of you udnerstand the spiritual processes in operation.
 
I was looking at a body of water and what appeared to be a plug hole. The plug was not present so ordinarily the water should have gone down. The water was several metres deep and was swirling around like a whirlpool forming a perfectly symmatrical cylinderical column immediately above the plug hole, as though it was being suspended by an invisible force. The plug hole area was bone dry. The water was moving with great fury yet all was still above the plug hole.
 
Water, of course, represents feelings, and stirred up feelings have definitely been the order of the day for many people contacting us. And although it bypassed me personally today, it certainly hit some adults of our household too as deeply burried issues were surfaced perhaps for the first time.
 
So don't be alarmed by what Yahweh is stirring - it's to help you deal with issues before they bury deep again and are harder to access. Remember this buried issues cripple or impede your spiritual life - it's in your interest to let Yahweh do some shaking.
 
So keep facing into the wind!
 
 

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From: MSN NicknameCadavi00 Sent: 7/11/2006 9:55 PM
Lately, well since you announce the beginning of the second wave, sexual lust issues have been coming up.  Almost everytime I see a female lustful thoughts come to mind.  This has been going on before the second wave but not so badly.  I would always rebuke my flesh and repent and be find for days before it happened again.  Yesterday I went to the Wal-mart after work and I would look at other females lustfully almost instinctively.  I almost cried because it was strong, before my salvation I would look at females this way all the time and persue them, this is how I felt yesterday.  Of course I didn't heed to the desires but they shocked me.  I thought I was almost through with such thoughts but I was wrong. 

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From: MSN NicknameZealforYahweh Sent: 7/20/2006 4:40 AM
The prophecy shown to the right is 100% false.

Please note that this supposed prophecy is written in the present tense: IE: "They are writing", and these "profiles" are supposed to appear on the internet "in the near future".

First of all, I will make this point clear.

THERE IS NO MYSTERIOUS "THEY" WHO ARE INVESTIGATING NCCG FOR RESEARCH PURPOSES NCCG MIGHT CONSIDER HOSTILE. THERE IS JUST ME.

Additionally, as stated elsewhere on this web site, the investigation into NCCG and the creation of this web site has primarily been a "one-man operation". Me

If any other people existed who were doing this, I see no chance whatsoever that such a person would not have become aware of my research and contacted me so that we could compare source material and notes. My web site is well placed enough in the search engines that anyone seriously researching NCCG would be able to find my web site and get my contact information. My web site is even linked in one of the NCCG message  boards itself.

Furthermore, the timing of the kinds of comments made about me indicate that my research and web site activities were the EXCLUSIVE trigger for this particular conspiracy/paranoia theory for NCCG leadership.

This conspiracy theory has repeatedly referred to SPECIFIC activities done by ME  as being done by some nonspecific group of people, such as:
  • "THEY"
  • "The Enemy"
  • "Mr. Concern and his ilk"
  • "Mr. Concern and his allies"

and even falsely named other individuals who supposedly are a part of a group of people who are cooperating with me to "persecute" NCCG such as:
  • Rick Ross,
  • a "satanist" named "Anna",
  • "Z",
  • a specific "believer who is venting".

In other recent posts, I and people who are supposedly "employed" by me are the only people who have been specifically accused of:
  • hacking email
  • hacking instant messages

and it has been insinuated that I also
  • listen to NCCG member's phone calls.

The correct things which were stated about my research methods were that:

  • I read the NCCG message boards
  • I read the NCCG main web site

It is important to note that this "prophecy" contains references about "They" that incorporate the identical accusations and observations which were made exclusively about ME in the past, such as the ones above. These past accusations reference MY OWN SPECIFIC ACTIVITIES as having been done by some mysterious plurality.

To summarize this point, the statement "They are writing detailed profiles on each and every member of MLT/NCCG based on what they can cull from the website, the posts here, sermons and email/IMs that they have been hacking into" can only refer to ME. Any other "They" is just a fantasy conspiracy theory unintentionally triggered by my research activities and my web site.

The next points are:

The material referenced by Christopher Warren as "email/IMs that they have been hacking into", is fantasy and does not exist.

During the time frame that I was supposed to be writing these detailed profiles, and for a long while beforehand, I was not developing any material for this  nccg_concern web site. The person I live with did not note me spending significant amounts of time at my PC writing large documents (such as would be required for the writing of "detailed profiles"). My handwriting is too poor and slow to be able to do this kind of writing without a PC.

I am not in the process of writing detailed profiles about NCCG members, or even profiles about Christopher Warren himself, and have not been at any time.

I also have no future plans to do so.

Furthermore, I have a policy within my NCCG investigation of not specifying  much about the members themselves, with the exception of Christopher Warren. This is because NCCG's history suggests to me that the only permanent member of NCCG is, in fact, Christopher Warren himself. I do not wish to potentially hinder the recovery of any NCCG members who leave the group by allowing identifiable documentation of their cult involvement to effectively be archived (www.archive.org) on the internet.

I have also not planned to identify any individuals by their roles within NCCG, such as "cult propagandist".

In summary, there is no "they" researching NCCG, it is just me, and this prophecy about my writing plans and activities, both present and future, is a  fantasy or "false prophecy" as it would be defined by the Bible.
 
There is no "they"? I have just come to the conclusion Mr. Concern thinks too highly of himself. How would he know there is no "they" unless he had the same gift of prophecy he is currently knocking?
 
I repeat Mr. Concern -- the prophecy had nothing to do with you.
 
Sincerely,
Derek

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From: MSN NicknameCommunity_Moderator Sent: 7/20/2006 11:04 PM
The only permanent member - lol

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From: MSN NicknameZealforYahweh Sent: 7/21/2006 3:41 AM
So what does that make me and the other people who have been baptised at "The Compound"?

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From: MSN NicknameCommunity_Moderator Sent: 7/21/2006 9:37 AM
A victim of love-bombing, sleep-deprivation, starvation, brainwashing, isolationism, stupidity, torture, dessication, defamation, delusion, hypnosis, antidisestablishmentarianism, slaver-labour, false-guilt, paranoia, scare-tactics, theism, Christianity, political incorrectness, religionism, drug addiction, insanity, banality, imprisonment, liquorice, oil stains, malice, forced-feeding, drowning trauma (baptism), nationalism, socialism, communism, fascism, alcohol-deprivation, totalitarianism, democracy, plutocracy, lunacy, anti-Americanism, forced assimilation, hatred against atheists and animists, genocide, anarchism - in short it makes you persona non grata in the eyes of Mr. Concern and his ten-foot thick solid lead spectacles.

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From: MSN Nicknameteh_bondservant Sent: 7/21/2006 11:52 PM
Oh, come on now, you're just baiting now.
What would he call me as a non-member associate?

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From: MSN NicknameCommunity_Moderator Sent: 7/22/2006 12:02 AM
An unevolved potential victim of love-bombing, sleep-deprivation, starvation, brainwashing, isolationism, stupidity, torture, dessication, defamation, delusion, hypnosis, antidisestablishmentarianism, slaver-labour, false-guilt, paranoia, scare-tactics, theism, Christianity, political incorrectness, religionism, drug addiction, insanity, banality, imprisonment, liquorice, oil stains, malice, forced-feeding, drowning trauma (baptism), nationalism, socialism, communism, fascism, alcohol-deprivation, totalitarianism, democracy, plutocracy, lunacy, anti-Americanism, forced assimilation, hatred against atheists and animists, genocide, anarchism - in short it makes you persona non grata in the eyes of Mr. Concern and his ten-foot thick solid lead spectacles.

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From: MSN Nicknameteh_bondservant Sent: 7/22/2006 4:01 PM
LOL, can I have that as an acronym?
Hmm.... even that's too long for a label.
So I'm the same as a member, I'm just unevolved.
Oh well, I don't do memberships, so I guess I'll just have to stay unevolved.
Maybe I'll have to point this concerned person to my Sun-day worshipping church so he can expose their wickedness. After all, they really want 10% of my income, in addition to wanting me and my wife to volunteer for all sorts of their projects. It's exhausting

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From: MSN NicknameCommunity_Moderator Sent: 7/22/2006 4:10 PM
I shall have to try harder at brainwashing you - I'm sorry. Maybe I can persuade you to come to the deliverance group, convince you that I must be your father and that you must sign me a blank check and give me total allegiance, disown your biological parents, alter your state of consciousness by suggestion and drag you into the Garden for further programming. Then if I am lucky, I can persuade you to come to the 'compound', baptise you, and then force you to do slave labour here for the rest of your life, having emptied your bank account and takien all your worldly possession.
 
My only regret is that I am disappointing Mr.Concern so much - just where are those statistics of all these people duped into being imprisoned here? His latest excuse is that I am the only permanent member. If I am such a failure as a cultist, why the vast effort to make me into one?
 
Never mind, we can all pretend I guess. Consider yourself an honorary cultist.

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From: MSN NicknameCommunity_Moderator Sent: 7/23/2006 1:49 AM
Concerning my Message #6 - Mr. Concern has walked straight into it - lol - he has actually analysed my joke!
 
 
He has actually written a commentary - ROFL! This is what he has written:
 
When I read Christopher Warren's response to the NCCG member's question, I could not help but wonder if it was intended as a joke. The question appeared to be presented in seriousness, so I will proceed as though the reply was not intended to be a joke.

The list of things I am supposed to believe about this type of NCCG member is shown below. My actual position on the use of each item is stated after each one. Many of these positions can also be verified by their inclusion or non-inclusion within the research areas of this nccg_concern web site.

  • Love-bombing: I don't know
  • Sleep deprivation: no
  • Starvation: no
  • Brainwashing: appears to depend on the victim's demographic
  • Isolationism: physical reference: compound-dwelling members only, not fringe members
  • Stupidity: no
  • Torture: no
  • dessication: this word does not appear at www.dictionary.com.
  • defamation: I don't know
  • delusion: some members have been observed appearing to experience this as a result of their NCCG involvement
  • hypnosis: "The Garden" is an altered state of consciousness that resembles hypnosis. Furthermore, it is the nature of Christopher Warren's writings to be able to induce a hypnotic state. So, the general answer to this is a "yes".
  • "antiestablishmentarianism": I don't know
  • slaver-labor: I don't know
  • false-guilt: I don't know
  • paranoia: some members have been observed appearing to experience this due to their NCCG involvement
  • scare-tactics: some members have been observed appearing to experience this
  • theism: nonsensical use of the word in this context
  • Christianity: nonsensical use of the word in this context
  • political incorrectness: I do not understand the use of the term in this context
  • religionism: nonsensical use of the word in this context
  • drug addition: not to my knowledge
  • insanity:
    • does he mean that the NCCG members are victims of an insane person? My answer: possibly, if Christopher Warren is insane, which I do not know but I cannot help but wonder.
    • does he mean that they themselves are victims of insanity due to their NCCG involvement? At least one or possibly as many as three people are documented in my source material as having had mental health issues exacerbated by their NCCG involvement. This could, regarding those few individuals, qualify as a "yes", but is not the case as a whole for all NCCG members both fringe and core.
  • banality: I don't know
  • imprisonment: 
    • There is source material regarding an incident in which a member had physical actions taken against him/her, and the physical action was of the type which would be expected to have restricted the person's freedom to choose to remove him/herself from an immediate situation involving a very-involved NCCG member. The details in the source material are limited, and it represented either a bad domestic incident or an NCCG-affected incident (which one I have not been able to determine at this time). If this incident was indeed an NCCG-affected incident, I believe it would apply exclusively to one particular demographic, whereas on the other hand, a different demographic is indicated to not experience anything resembling this. I consider my source material as being incomplete in regard to this particular incident (which may be considered to resemble "imprisonment" within the context of the specific time it occurred), and indicative of a "no" answer regarding the other demographic.
    • I am not aware of individuals within NCCG being held in conditions from which they do not have frequent opportunities to physically remove themselves. This definition is more in-line with the typical understanding of the word "imprisonment".
  • liquorice: this item makes me suspect he is joking.
  • oil stains: this item makes me suspect he is joking.
  • malice: I don't know
  • forced-feeding: I don't know
  • drowning trauma: no
  • nationalism: no
  • socialism: I don't know
  • communism: as referenced as a political system, I don't know. If it was intended in another context, I do not know the details of this and cannot comment due to the word being unexplained.
  • fascism: I don't know
  • alcohol-deprivation: this is nonsensical
  • totalitarianism: as this word relates to governmental systems, it is nonsensical in this context. If it was intended in another context, I do not know the details of this and cannot comment due to the word being unexplained.
  • democracy: as this word relates to governmental systems, it is nonsensical in this context. If it was intended in another context, I do not know the details of this and cannot comment due to the word being unexplained.
  • plutocracy: as this word relates to governmental systems, it is nonsensical in this context. If it was intended in another context, I do not know the details of this and cannot comment due to the word being unexplained.
  • lunacy: see insanity
  • anti-americanism: no
  • forced assimilation: I don't know
  • hatred against atheists: animosity toward atheists as a group has been observed being encouraged within certain NCCG writings, although this is one of those areas where Christopher Warren's writings are contradictory. If this is the intended meaning of that statement. I do not know if the word "hatred" would correctly apply, but inducement of animosity would.
  • hatred against animists: I don't know
  • genocide: this is nonsensical in this context
  • anarchism: no
  •  persona non grata: no. (definition of "persona non grata" used from www.dictionary.com: Fully unacceptable or unwelcome, especially to a foreign government).

This man takes himself too seriously. He needs to look in the mirror and have a good laugh.

 

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From: MSN NicknameCommunity_Moderator Sent: 7/23/2006 2:14 AM
Important questions for Mr. Concern:
 

Questions for Mr. Concern:

1) Some months have 30 days,some months have 31 days. How many months have 28 days?

2) If a doctor gives you 3 pills and tells you to take one pill every half hour, how long would it be before all the pills had been taken?

3) I went to bed at eight o'clock in the evening and wound up my clock and set the alarm to sound at nine o'clock in the morning. How many hours sleep would I get before being awoken by the alarm?

4) Divide 30 by half and add ten. What do you get?

5) A farmer had 17 sheep. All but 9 died. How many live sheep were left?

6) If you had only one match and entered a COLD and DARK room, where there was an oil heater, an oil lamp and a candle, which would you light first?

7) A man builds a house with four sides of rectangular construction, each side having a southern exposure. A big bear comes along. What colour is the bear?

8) Take 2 apples from 3 apples. What do you have?

9) How many animals of each species did Moses take with him in the Ark?

10) If you drove a bus with 43 people on board from Chicago and stopped at Pittsburg to pick up 7 more people and drop off 5 passengers and at Cleveland to drop off 8 passengers and pick up 4 more and eventually arrive at Philadelphia 20 hours later, what's the name of the driver?


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